[DVBC] 1st Aid

Tue May 9 13:20:54 EDT 2006

I agree with Dave H, ride leaders should be just that.  And I would go one 
step further, the club should not provide 1st aid training, even in groups.  
This sends the wrong signal.  If someone has training and is able to provide 
help, that's awesome, but everyone currently knows they are responsible for 
their own safety on a ride.  Do not confuse the issues.

CR

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>    1. Tandem for Sale - Photos posted (waste_bucket)
>    2. CRC STREAM CLEANUP (Woody Kotch)
>    3. First aid training (domzdvbc at att.net)
>    4. Re: First aid training (Dave Hartrum)
>    5. (no subject) (Eddiebearis at aol.com)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:24:20 -0400
>From: "waste_bucket" <waste_bucket at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [DVBC] Tandem for Sale - Photos posted
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>Photos are posted at http://tinyurl.com/o3ycz
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>1999-2000 Burley Rumba road tandem. Less than 1000 miles. Medium Frame 
>(used
>by 5'10" captain and 5'3" stoker). Includes dual computers (the stoker has
>one too), a gel stoker seat, zefal hp pump. My children want to ride their
>own bikes now and I want to buy a recumbent.
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>Asking $1150. email waste_bucket at yahoo.com or call Ira at 610-331-5759
>(cell)
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>Ira Wallace
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>Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:03:28 -0400
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>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:48:08 +0000
>From: domzdvbc at att.net
>Subject: [DVBC] First aid training
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>Good morning, everyone.
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>As you may know, the DVBC's 2005 Rookie of the Year suffered a fall this 
>past weekend near Kelly Drive in Phila. According to reports, he suffered a 
>fractured rib and a broken elbow. If you see this message, Steve, I hope 
>you recover quickly!
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>We've had similar incidents during the past year where fortunately a 
>participant of the ride was a physician or other healthcare professional. 
>But should we count on luck (or a cell phone signal) when help is needed?
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>A concerned DVBCer has raised a question about first aid training. How many 
>ride leaders have basic first aid and/or CPR training? Do you think ride 
>leaders would continue to list club rides if they thought they'd have to 
>provide first aid to a fallen rider? Or do you think the liability issues 
>would cause the number of rides to plummet?
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>Many club members have made generous contributions to our Safety Fund. I 
>think we could put those funds to good use by reimbursing club members who 
>take a first aid course from a recognized organization. What do you think?
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>Thanks for your time, and your comments. And remember, be safe out there!
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>Dom
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>Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:09:42 -0400
>From: Dave Hartrum <dhartrum at mac.com>
>Subject: Re: [DVBC] First aid training
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>You might want to have group first aid training rather than reimburse for 
>individual training. Those interested within the club could attend one or 
>two evenings for a couple of weeks. You might get more bang per buck that 
>way.
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>It is wonderful when we have someone on a ride that has training and can 
>help in these situations. I would think however we do not want to send the 
>signal that when you go on a DVBC club ride you are any more protected from 
>the risks of bike riding then when you are out on your own. My view is the 
>ride leader is the ride leader because he knows the route directions (well 
>not always, sorry Drew ! ) and not because he is providing some additional 
>degree of protection. It can be difficult to find ride leaders let's not 
>put any more real or perceived burden on them. They should know were they 
>are going and encourage/challenge fellow riders. Anything else in my mind 
>is over an above duty.
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>Hoping and praying for a full and speedy recovery for Steve !!!
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>Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:03:27 EDT
>From: Eddiebearis at aol.com
>Subject: [DVBC] (no subject)
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>Guess what time it is...???? It's time to start thinking of your upcoming
>June rides and submit them. Thanks in advance to all ride leaders.
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