[DVBC] RE: DVBC Digest, Vol 6, Issue 19

Wed May 10 19:28:42 EDT 2006

CR,

You still assume if the DVBC offers First Aid Training to its members it
would be required for all ride leaders.  Then you assume it will be the
policy of the DVBC to advertise "rides with a first aid trained ride
leader".  All I am advocating is the DVBC consider providing First Aid
training to all DVBC members, who feel comfortable receiving the
training, as a proper function of the club.  Just as the DVBC promotes
leading rides, and has clinics to clean and maintain bicycles.  I don't
think promoting a First Aid Training Course provided by a nationally
recognized organization will "send any signal".  It will merely help
people develop skills that may help in an unfortunate event. 

Doug

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dvbc-list-bounces at list.dvbc.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Yeager
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:49 AM
To: dvbc-list at list.dvbc.org
Subject: [DVBC] RE: DVBC Digest, Vol 6, Issue 19

Doug --
The signal that people on these rides are safer than they would
otherwise 
be.  Someone said that promoting safety is one of the clubs goals.  Yes,

promoting safe places to ride and safe riding in general, but not that
you 
are safer because the club has provided training for ride leaders.

Doug please note that I said it is awesome if someone is able to provide

help, thus implying that they had training.  So, of course, it is better
if 
more people have training; however, that is not the issue.  The issue is

liability for the club and leaders, presumed or actual.

CR

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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:44:27 -0400
>From: "Douglas Bower" <dkbower at craftech.com>
>Subject: RE: [DVBC] 1st Aid
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>CR,
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>What do you mean the wrong signal?  The more people that are trained in
>first aid the better!
>
>Doug
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>[mailto:dvbc-list-bounces at list.dvbc.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Yeager
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>Subject: [DVBC] 1st Aid
>
>I agree with Dave H, ride leaders should be just that.  And I would go
>one
>step further, the club should not provide 1st aid training, even in
>groups.
>This sends the wrong signal.  If someone has training and is able to
>provide
>help, that's awesome, but everyone currently knows they are responsible
>for
>their own safety on a ride.  Do not confuse the issues.
>
>CR
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> >    1. Tandem for Sale - Photos posted (waste_bucket)
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> >Message: 1
> >Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:24:20 -0400
> >From: "waste_bucket" <waste_bucket at yahoo.com>
> >Subject: [DVBC] Tandem for Sale - Photos posted
> >To: "BCP e-mail list" <thelist at phillybikeclub.org>,
> >	<dvbc-list at dvbc.org>,	<scu at yahoogroups.com>
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> >Photos are posted at http://tinyurl.com/o3ycz
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> >
> >
> >1999-2000 Burley Rumba road tandem. Less than 1000 miles. Medium
Frame
> >(used
> >by 5'10" captain and 5'3" stoker). Includes dual computers (the
stoker
>has
> >one too), a gel stoker seat, zefal hp pump. My children want to ride
>their
> >own bikes now and I want to buy a recumbent.
> >
> >Asking $1150. email waste_bucket at yahoo.com or call Ira at
610-331-5759
> >(cell)
> >
> >
> >
> >Ira Wallace
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> >Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:03:28 -0400
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> >Message: 3
> >Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:48:08 +0000
> >From: domzdvbc at att.net
> >Subject: [DVBC] First aid training
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> >Good morning, everyone.
> >
> >As you may know, the DVBC's 2005 Rookie of the Year suffered a fall
>this
> >past weekend near Kelly Drive in Phila. According to reports, he
>suffered a
> >fractured rib and a broken elbow. If you see this message, Steve, I
>hope
> >you recover quickly!
> >
> >We've had similar incidents during the past year where fortunately a
> >participant of the ride was a physician or other healthcare
>professional.
> >But should we count on luck (or a cell phone signal) when help is
>needed?
> >
> >A concerned DVBCer has raised a question about first aid training.
How
>many
> >ride leaders have basic first aid and/or CPR training? Do you think
>ride
> >leaders would continue to list club rides if they thought they'd have
>to
> >provide first aid to a fallen rider? Or do you think the liability
>issues
> >would cause the number of rides to plummet?
> >
> >Many club members have made generous contributions to our Safety
Fund.
>I
> >think we could put those funds to good use by reimbursing club
members
>who
> >take a first aid course from a recognized organization. What do you
>think?
> >
> >Thanks for your time, and your comments. And remember, be safe out
>there!
> >
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> >Message: 4
> >Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:09:42 -0400
> >From: Dave Hartrum <dhartrum at mac.com>
> >Subject: Re: [DVBC] First aid training
> >To: dvbc-list at dvbc.org
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> >You might want to have group first aid training rather than reimburse
>for
> >individual training. Those interested within the club could attend
one
>or
> >two evenings for a couple of weeks. You might get more bang per buck
>that
> >way.
> >
> >It is wonderful when we have someone on a ride that has training and
>can
> >help in these situations. I would think however we do not want to
send
>the
> >signal that when you go on a DVBC club ride you are any more
protected
>from
> >the risks of bike riding then when you are out on your own. My view
is
>the
> >ride leader is the ride leader because he knows the route directions
>(well
> >not always, sorry Drew ! ) and not because he is providing some
>additional
> >degree of protection. It can be difficult to find ride leaders let's
>not
> >put any more real or perceived burden on them. They should know were
>they
> >are going and encourage/challenge fellow riders. Anything else in my
>mind
> >is over an above duty.
> >
> >Hoping and praying for a full and speedy recovery for Steve !!!
> >
> >On Tuesday, May 09, 2006, at 07:48AM, <domzdvbc at att.net> wrote:
> >
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> >Message: 5
> >Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:03:27 EDT
> >From: Eddiebearis at aol.com
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> >Guess what time it is...???? It's time to start thinking of your
>upcoming
> >June rides and submit them. Thanks in advance to all ride leaders.
> >
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:59:01 -0400
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