[DVBC] [Fwd: Re: [sbbike] Montecito letterreply]

Wed Jun 20 07:58:20 EDT 2007

Hey Joe you reading the same email as me?  “The Shuman logic (kill a few of
them and the rest should fall in line) is pretty twisted.”  

I agree with them as a concerned motorist, except the part where he states
where he thought bikes had to ride on only roads with bike lanes.  If you’re
trying to be funny with your second paragraph, I’m not laughing.

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From: dvbc-list-bounces at list.dvbc.org
[mailto:dvbc-list-bounces at list.dvbc.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sayer
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:35 AM
To: dvbc-list at dvbc.org
Subject: Re: [DVBC] [Fwd: Re: [sbbike] Montecito letterreply]

I'm curious about how the cop explained his/her fear of a bunch of spandex
clad skinny people.  "I knew they were trouble because they were all sweaty.
Then they came at me with their water bottles, and I didn't know what to do!
They almost attacked me!"

Larry Green <largreen at earthlink.net> wrote:

Here is an example of what goes on in Santa Barbara, Ca
Larry

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Subject: 

Re: [sbbike] Montecito letterreply

Date: 

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:50:08 -0700

From: 

Suzie Null HYPERLINK
"mailto:snull at education.ucsb.edu"<snull at education.ucsb.edu>

To: 

Frazer Hazlett - TIME SPORT INTERNATIONAL HYPERLINK
"mailto:FrazerH at TimeSportUSA.com"<FrazerH at TimeSportUSA.com>

CC: 

SB Bicycle Coalition HYPERLINK
"mailto:sbbike at lists.riseup.net"<sbbike at lists.riseup.net>

References: 

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Frazer and
 others:    For what it's worth, here's a copy of the Letter to the Editor I
sent to   the Montecito Journal last night.    Response to Shuman's
"Coexisting with Cyclists"    As a bicyclist who commutes to school and
work, and as a former resident   of Montecito, I was truly frightened that
drivers like Mark and Adriana   Shuman are operating vehicles despite their
poor understanding of the   California Vehicle Laws.    The Shumans ask what
they should do about the "problem" of cyclists   using the roads.  The short
answer would be that they should stop   driving before they kill someone.
At the very least they should get   correct information about where
bicyclists fit into the California   Vehicle Code, which can be accessed
online at   HYPERLINK
"http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd11c1a4.htm"http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pu
bs/vctop/vc/tocd11c1a4.htm.  Since the Shumans   seem unclear on what the
law states, here is a brief synopsis:   
 Article 21200 states:  "Every person riding a bicycle upon a highway has
all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the
driver of a vehicle."    Article 21202 states:  "Any person operating a
bicycle upon a roadway at   a speed less than the normal speed of traffic
moving in the same   direction at that time shall ride as close as
practicable to the   right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except. . . when
reasonably   necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to,
fixed or   moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface
hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue   along
the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section   21656."
And Mr. and Mrs. Shuman should note that no one "expects" them "to break
the law by having to cross over a double yellow line."  The California
Vehicle Code clearly states that motorists should treat bicycles exactly
as they would any
 other slow vehicle:  they should maintain a safe   following distance until
it is safe to pass.    I hope the Shumans and all motorists (as well as
bicyclists) will   realize that part of being a responsible driver is
dealing safely with   different kinds of vehicles that move at varied
speeds, and that it's   the driver's responsibility to safely handle varying
road conditions   such as narrow or curvy roads.  Drivers who put operators
of other   vehicles at risk face the possibility of losing their own driving
privileges.    Suzie Null  Goleta    Frazer Hazlett - TIME SPORT
INTERNATIONAL wrote:  > I told a few friends about the letter last night and
all are intending   > to write to The Journal with responses.  >  > Frazer
Hazlett  >  > Operations Manager  > TIME SPORT INTERNATIONAL  >  > HYPERLINK
"mailto:FrazerH at TimeSportUSA.com"FrazerH at TimeSportUSA.com  >  >  >  > -----
Original Message -----
 From: "Ralph Fertig" HYPERLINK "mailto:sb-ralph at cox.net"<sb-ralph at cox.net>
> To: "SB Bicycle Coalition" HYPERLINK
"mailto:sbbike at lists.riseup.net"<sbbike at lists.riseup.net>  > Sent: Monday,
June 18, 2007 8:36 AM  > Subject: [sbbike] Montecito letter needs reply  >
>  > The following letter to the Montecito Journal was published last  >
Thursday, June 14th.  It represents a view that many motorists have & we  >
have to contend with -- our lower speeds not only inconvenience them, but  >
"force" them to break the law, thereby endangering their car occupants.  >
You can email your reply to Montecito Journal, Letters to the Editor,  >
HYPERLINK "mailto:tim at montecitojournal.net"tim at montecitojournal.net . It's
especially important for residents of  > Montecito to respond to this, but
any others who bike there are  > threatened as
 well.  >  > ~~ Ralph Fertig, President  > ~~ Santa Barbara Bicycle
Coalition  >  > ==========( begin letter )==========  >  > Coexisting with
Cyclists  >  > I have a question: does anyone else in Montecito have a
problem with  > cyclists? My wife and I have lived here two years now and
have not heard  > anyone complain. I know we live in a beautiful area and
community, that's  > why we moved here, but I don't feel like jeopardizing
my family¹s life  > every time I drive on East Valley, Toro Canyon,
Sheffield and Ortega  > Ridge Road because a cyclist thinks he owns the
road.  >  > All of these roads have very limited visibility, with no bike
lanes and  > the cyclists expect you to break the law by having to cross
over a double  > line, which is illegal, when you can't even see if there is
oncoming  > traffic. This is an extremely dangerous situation and it happens
> everyday. I am in constant fear of being
 responsible for hitting a biker  > just because I want to stay safe in my
lane.  >  > Since there is no shoulder, a single cyclist is bad enough, as
they  > refuse to stay on the white line and ride in the middle of the lane,
but  > if there are multiple cyclists they insist on riding side by side and
> taking the whole lane. You have no choice but to break the law and  >
endanger your life to get around them. They have no fear of cars and if  >
you honk you get a hand gesture as if you are the problem, acting as if  >
it is their road and I am inconveniencing them.  >  > I had thought before I
moved here that cycling required a bike lane but I  > guess that is not
true. Why do we have bike lanes if they can ride on  > roads with no bike
lanes and even more with no shoulders and no room for  > a cyclist? They
have spent millions on bike paths lately and some roads  > in our area do
have them; why can't we restrict cyclists to
 roads with  > bike lanes, which do exist in the area?  >  > I spoke to a
Sheriff¹s Deputy and he told me that cyclists have the same  > rights as a
car, which I understand, but if I was in my car doing 5 mph  > in a 35 mph
zone I would get a ticket for going too slow. The deputy also  > told me
they have problems all the time with cyclists and not long ago a  > group of
them almost attacked an officer for approaching a group of  > cyclists that
were causing trouble. I thought cyclists were mostly good  > people; they
obviously care about their health so why would they think  > they don't need
to worry about cars? I have heard stories of many people  > in the area hurt
or even killed cycling by a car.  >  > I would like to not just complain,
but to do something about this. Can  > anyone tell me what we need to do to
fix this problem? What can we do to  > stop this?  >  > Mark & Adriana
Shuman  > Montecito  >  >
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